Sergey Kushchenko: "God forbid that someone will fall"
In an interview with reporters of the newspaper "Sport Express" executive director of Biathlon Union of Russia Sergey Kuschenko were raised as issues biathlon team preparing for the Olympics in Vancouver as well as many other topics of interest to fans of the sport. Including Doping.
In minefield
- Do you have a feeling that Russia's biathlon team is ready to Vancouver?
- For me, biathlon - a new page in life, and every time I have mixed emotions, responding to such questions. Training in cyclic sports seriously differs from the disciplines that I studied before, including being president of the "big" football club.
We are not satisfied with the revolutions and upgrades, left in the sport of it as is. Trusted coaches, doctors, technical staff. We all have a great experience, solid track records. Why tear down something that brings results? But about the organizational part, which I for obvious reasons, closer, I can say: do a lot. Sometimes it seems that even with a little brute force.
Tried to analyze foreign experience, while the information to us, understandably, sharing no hurry. In my opinion, in such an individual sport like biathlon, it is very important in a sense, decentralized training, to trust myself an athlete and his personal trainer, ensuring their safe connection with the Coaches, which takes all major decisions. Organize this kind of communication was not easy.
If the first gathering in Raubichy all we had shared, except for certain menu items and recovery (which is a 22-year-old and 35-year-old athlete can not in principle be the same), then in the course of the season has started serious detail. Important that the athlete himself felt his body and that he had with whom to consult. One poured out for eight hours, another ten little. Or someone hemoglobin of high birth. The same can not be ignored! These things need to track from childhood, and we even have a passport to start on the blood of athletes just can not.
At a recent meeting of the collegium of the Ministry of Sports and the ROC is the Head of RusADA Alexander Derevoedov: "If someone has exceptional extraordinary evidence - please, help." But we have appealed to the high hemoglobin Wani Cherezova and received the answer: "We do not have the required licenses, can not help you." They began to look for analogues, came to the skater Dmitry Shepel, who had similar problems. It turned out, the federation prompted him to address the foreign licensed clinic, he went there and received a document officially confirming his individual characteristics of blood.
And the problem is not a special case Cherezova, it is a hurdle for many athletes. The issue is not two days, agreed. Parents must keep track of a few weeks to gather information. By Shepel were also generalize the clinical observation. But Van, sorry, how many years? We even doping laboratory, that the blood taken at the stages, said: "We have six years, such tests have Cherezova see what you just can not straighten it with a document?"
We have found the clinic, will try as soon as possible to resolve the issue. We get to documents in the IBU, ask those same laboratory record ...
- It turns out, we walk through a mine field. No luck - and after spending a medal contender for the entire Olympic tournament "laid up" as he sat in Turin skier Pankratov.
- Exactly. And there are those who for that reason did not get into the Olympic team. If, however, to talk about the Sochi-2014, then start all these procedural pain should be now, not to train people in an atmosphere of uncertainty.
Flowers in the room? Please!
- You said that in the organizational plan for the preparation team made everything and even with brute force. Rasshifruete?
- When an athlete provides the most comfortable conditions, but he was not accustomed to this may include psychology: I have given everything, and suddenly I was not justified? Re-start, try to explain: everything is normal, there is an opportunity - do. You have to understand that those who fly to Vancouver economy class with five transfers, can speak and not worse. Because of the athlete depends disproportionately. Just charter convenient. With Onexim and Transaero, have helped in this matter, provided the board for the transport team and three tons of cargo. To avoid problems with weapons, not to get lost luggage, and skis have not gone to another country.
On board the charter will be raised rehabilitation and medical equipment, mini-saunas, ammunition, equipment ... Everything must be licensed and to declare. Including products - in Canada, not all can be imported. Teams are to be fed four cooks. They fly a little earlier to prepare everything in advance, and divided into two teams.
- Under what conditions would live our biathlon in Canada?
- We took off for the national team some townhouses in the Silver-Star, and in Whistler. Including cooking, to where athletes live, there was no food odors. Feeding them will bring. And during the Games, athletes will be able to come in the same town houses and rest, for example, if they get tired of vanity Olympic village. Moreover, in Whistler during the Olympics will open Russia biathlon house - a room for representational activities and exclusive meetings of journalists with athletes.
Both teams will be adapted for 12 days. Women soon arrive in Whistler, where the competition will take place, settled on the same with the biathlon stadium height - 900 meters above sea level. The men landed on the road, the airport Kelowna. For them, prepared base Silver-Star, tested and Norwegians, and our skiers in the past year. This is about six hundred kilometers from Vancouver. Height - 1000 meters, himself just above the stadium. In both places visited by the delegation of the RRF, all watched, probing. And the opening of the Games athletes move into Olympic Village.
The last days before the start is very important. We had a serious dispute as to assign flight. I asked to justify why it was on February 1 and it was eight in the evening. I explained it in detail: we have such a cycle, so at this time we have to sleep, but in this - to stay awake. The main task that team is left without training over four days.
- Your opponents will be living in similar conditions?
- This information is not made to advertise. But even if the Norwegians on stage in Ruhpolding brought his cook and trailer with food ...
- Our biathlon stars have riders in which they indicate their household requirements?
- Prior to this case does not come, fortunately. Moreover, when at a recent meeting we were talking about money, it became clear: this question for athletes is a deep secondary, they are focused only on speech. And then, what it means - the requirements? If someone asks me an extra jacket, it was good. Additional or special food - too well. Flowers in the girls room - please. The purpose of a general.
Ready to take the fire on himself
- With the organization clear. But let us return to the sports part. Available Are you some kind of biathlon analyst? Is it too is closed from the leadership of the RRF training process? Do you have an opportunity to draw conclusions, which led to a miss or a bad slip - the wind with clouds or gaps in training?
- Do not think that we do not delve into the sporting aspects. Learning, we master the literature to address the gaps. And the conclusions, of course, will do when the time comes. On the other hand, the main analysis awaits us after Vancouver. Because the previous results of the season do not mean nothing. Including a prize and 21 acquired by Russia's Biathlon in the six stages of the current World Cup. There are disputes about how to interpret the recent poor results in Anterselva. Intermediate and experimental - the only way. And what is the output to peak form, our coaches also know. Their and our confidence must necessarily be transmitted to the athletes.
- The game sports coaching fate clearly depend on the results: the losing team - comes a new specialist. But in the Olympic disciplines, very often you can see a different picture: the responsibility is blurred, new coaches, they say, are hard to find ... Imagine that we have had no luck in Vancouver. Will this be the basis for orgvyvodov and search for, say, foreign coaching staff?
- You know, I do not like a note of panic, which I heard in your question. Afraid of responsibility before the fight - a big mistake, it costs a bureaucratic sports system. We should think now about achieving high goals, not on retribution for the failure. Yet nothing happened, in the end!
We have in biathlon there is a situation that I am ready to state the following: if the Vancouver team Russia will succeed, it would not merit our management team, and those who led before us. If you happen to fail, it will be our failure. At least that would be honest.
With regard to attracting foreign experts, I have already said: to tear down the existing system for a few months before Vancouver was in the wrong. This does not mean that we have now no opinion on any subject. But the answer to all will only do games. Maybe we as leaders also have to change?
Let us give up all his energy for the cause, instead of sitting in ambush with the club: "Oh, you will wet!" I am afraid of another Olympics - doping scandals. God forbid that someone will fall, decides to take the risk, think: "slip" This will be trouble, big trouble! This person will suggest themselves, family, loved ones, all of Russia!
- Recently, it became fashionable to demand from leaders of federations guarantee the "purity" of our athletes ...
- Ensure you can that fully kontroliruesh. I have confidence: we have done everything possible to avoid the scandals. And there is great hope that it will be so. But for every athlete protection without joining. I beg all the Olympians: do not succumb to temptations, better, "Pass" one who offers you dope. Vancouver - an important start, but Sochi will be even more important. Prevent the spread of this evil should be now. I think Russia's biathlon team will be clean.
Fourth place should not be a tragedy
- After the scandal with Akhatova, Yurieva Yaroshenko doctors and men's and women's team lost their posts. For the current medical liability provided?
- After signing the contract with the Ministry of Sports, I called a meeting and posed the question: should we all of us to sign another one, an internal document about personal responsibility? I feel so even more convenient, always will be able to hide behind the paper: "You see, it's not me, it's him!" But, after consultation, decided to choose the algorithm for human, personal relationship. Build a family based on marriage contract we thought wrong.
- In velokomande "Katyusha" acted differently, preferring financial responsibility for doping in the amount of the annual contract.
- Our experts are not so much money, this is the first. Second - in the future I would like to propose another system. Let's hit man in the junior national team. Let it starts to accumulate social and financial preferences, sponsors, privileges. And let them turn into a high altitude, to the main team. And then look back to the previous path. Ten years given to the sport. Even if he takes the fourth place, he does not lose all that accumulated in the material and image sense - so be it! But now is not so. Fourth place is no different from the fortieth. And the man stretched above to get all at once. For in order to hit the jackpot, people lose their heads.
The athlete must understand that he did not lose everything when he did not win the Olympics, but when will get on doping. And if you do not fall, then, on the contrary, all remain. Always cite the example of American police. They know: take a bribe - fly to the side of life. Do not take - and keep the person, and decent living conditions, and to give school children, and a nice house with two cars ... The forces that now support the biathlon - a region, sponsors, patrons - may well bring significant resources to ensure athletes dignified existence. And to deprive them of the dope tests incentives.
Another thing, there are mistakes. Not that received the medication, forgot to bring something to the Declaration of ... Wine? Sure. Crime? Never. If so, the approach should be differentiated.
- Are you sure the new team doctors? In particular - in the women's Dr Alex Kuznetsov, a career which, according to rumors, there were several controversial episodes.
- In my opinion, an experienced and Maxim Kuznetsov Elizarov their duties until the handle.
- What have you learned recently the case with rifle Ustyugova?
- Not just me - all taught. You know, I have been diving. There is a law: will go under the water - show equipment to someone else. Even if you completely trust all the same show - for dual control. The athlete should not rely only on itself, because biathlon is technically very complicated sport. This weapon and ammunition, and skiing, and work serviserov ...
The work of these people incredibly significant. At serviserov - supernadezhda. To understand how they all do, almost impossible. I stood and looked, he said - guys, I love you, what to do for you? They said - nothing.
- As far as success depends on serviserov? In bobsledding, for instance, is a disposition: 25 percent - the work of the pilot, 25 - disbanded, and 25 - the quality of the fairing pod and 25 - speed skates.
- In the biathlon is not so. The sun came out from behind clouds, the gloss on the ski track appeared, and everything went like a meteor. The finish line again came the clouds - and the trails became slow. That is, there are things that can not guess the very best specialist. Clearly, it is best if the "run" skis and if the functional state of an athlete high.
You can, of course, hope for the health of an athlete, that vyplyunet light, but run so far. And you can add to this the purely technical details: how to go abroad, the work of skis ... we discussed it as Bjorndalen "lays" his race: it turned out that during this past summer he almost dropped five seconds from the time of his stay in the firing line. And if you turn four? Can not afford a mistake! Plus, people invested in the development of ammunition, weapons, skis. Naturally, he gets all the best. We also Russia's weapons do not have all of their skis, no ointments - all this makes Germany, Norway. Therefore we do when we buy a stock, understand: it is better to give not us.
Noodles twenty rubles
- Question about psychologists. In our mentality, not in the habit of receiving medical treatment for this profile. Which of them works with the national team? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a voluntary matter?
- We did not break anything, we just suggested. And some athletes agreed. I will not say who it is, as you said yourself, a personal matter. Our psychologists have worked with great athletes from the teams of ski racing, team sports, fencing, diving. We brought them to the collection in Raubichy, all the guys talking. Someone said - I do not need. Well, then, is the replacement of an athlete - a personal trainer, mother, father, friend. And someone had exchanged contacts with doctors. And talking on the phone, inside the team is not Psychologists.
- One of the main components of the fight against doping - creating an atmosphere of intolerance in society to this evil. How to evaluate in this sense of the RRF to Yurieva, Akhatova and Yaroshenko? Dana Does the evaluation of the situation? Do you admit that they used doping? Does not matter whether their examples to educate the next generations?
- The situation went to our management team inherited. My personal opinion - to fight against doping should be really hard, publicly and, as you say, irreconcilable. But the case with our biathletes are not quite normal. They themselves have decided to fight to the end and do it, by the way, until now. You see, they can finish off with a hammer, and you can deal with what happened. Including in order to explain everything.
Front of me recently sat biathlon, disqualified for two years. Here are her eyes had to remove the camera and show all the young. Suppose they saw, as she said that two years eating noodles for 20 rubles, and wishing to leave the track and win.
At the same time convinced: when the fact of doping is proved, must punish instantly.
- It seems that the RRF is not a negative attitude to Akhatova, Yurieva and Yaroshenko. Их поддерживают, они продолжают давать интервью. Когда перед сезоном возник вопрос о том, что остальные участницы эстафет должны вернуть деньги IBU, СБР их тут же заплатил. Ярошенко на камчатском турнире был почетным гостем… Есть ли у остальных спортсменов понимание, что в схожей ситуации с ними никто так “цацкаться” не будет?
- Очень частный случай у каждого… Мы сейчас крайне серьезно занимаемся антидопинговой работой, организуем забор проб на всех внутренних соревнованиях. Юниоры, молодежь - вот оттуда надо начинать. И мы уже не работаем вслепую: есть информационная сеть, заказываем целевое тестирование. Нужно выжать все снизу. Именно там ловить людей, которые предлагают допинг.
Perhaps Akhatova, St. George and Yaroshenko - the victim. But until their guilt has been proved in court, we take no action we can not. When the trial is completed, then our anti-doping commission will meet and decide. The penalty that athletes should not be limited in any case. This is a half measure. We must find the person who brought them a prohibited substance.
And then - to publicly show the eyes athlete who is disqualified. After all, what was happening to him, this is a disaster. He loses everything.
До конца дисквалификации Альбины, Кати и Димы осталось около года. И даже если в итоге в суде их признают виновными в употреблении запрещенных веществ, после того как срок дисквалификации истечет, они смогут выступать. Но есть важный вопрос: смогут ли они претендовать на выступление в Сочи-2014? Существует документ МОК, в соответствии с которым спортсмены, попавшиеся на допинге, не имеют права выступать на следующей Олимпиаде. Документ этот надо как следует изучить и побороться за спортсменов. Потому что он не совсем ясен. Есть мнение, что это лишь рекомендация МОК, а не жесткое правило. Запрет на следующую Олимпиаду не носит формы закона, и, как его трактовать, не совсем понятно. Надо разбираться.
Биатлон должен приносить доход
- Какова ситуация с “подвисшими” пробами, которые были взяты в январе - феврале прошлого года и результаты которых до сих пор не оглашены? Крючок на нас у IBU и WADA имеется?
- Чтобы привезти в Канаду полноценную команду, мы г-ну Бессебергу написали официальное письмо и попросили сообщить, есть ли по нам положительные допинг-пробы за период с декабря 2008 года по июнь 2009 года. В Поклюке Михаилом Прохоровым был получен официальный ответ - все пробы российских спортсменов являются отрицательными.
- Медальный план существует?
- Нет, это полный бред. Ну что такое медальный план? Мы можем претендовать на подиум во всех десяти олимпийских гонках. Но уровень соперничества растет. К мировым лидерам добавляются спортсмены, которых готовят только на один старт - олимпийский. Их в какой план включать? Или такой пример. В Антерсельве я смотрел, как стреляет Андреа Хенкель. У нее пять габаритов прошло! Вот удача в чистом виде. А наши прикатили на стрельбище, и все попадания в край мишени не прошли, вот и все. Мы ведь за то и любим биатлон, что непредсказуем.
- Как вы относитесь к критике Александра Тихонова? Считаете ли ее справедливой?
- Мы уважаем мнение великого спортсмена, ветерана. Если бы Тихонова не было, его следовало бы придумать, чтобы кто-то нас критиковал. Есть в его словах рациональные зерна.
- Капитаны сборных Чудов и Зайцева выполняют ту роль, которой вы от них ждали?
- Капитаны должны быть. Чудов и Зайцева - лидеры, спортсмены, прошедшие огонь, воду и медные трубы. Любой молодой может к ним обратиться. Но той роли, которую исполняют капитаны в игровых видах спорта, в биатлоне не получается. Они ведь все-таки соперники друг другу на дистанции.
- В сентябре состоится перевыборный конгресс IBU. Когда начнутся выдвижение кандидатов, предвыборные дебаты? Когда мы узнаем позицию СБР по этому вопросу?
- Думаю, после Олимпиады об этом все станут говорить. Мы, естественно, сформулируем свою позицию и на этапе в Ханты-Мансийске, скорее всего, какие-то программные вещи обнародуем, объявим, кого на выборах будем поддерживать. Если, конечно, к тому моменту обозначится круг кандидатов. Бессеберг пока не говорит, будет ли он вновь выдвигаться в президенты. Другие тоже молчат, потому что заняты Олимпиадой.
- Насколько важны для СБР спонсоры, учитывая уровень состояния Михаила Прохорова?
- Это ни при чем - проект должен приносить доходы. После Олимпиады мы будем пересматривать коммерческую часть. Очень важна каждая компания, каждый спонсор. Сейчас есть “Газпром”, который предварительно согласился продлить контракт, страховая компания “Согласие”, фирма “Вебасто”, много лет поддерживающая сборную, и сама группа “Онексим” Михаила Прохорова.
- А Viessmann ушел?
- Yes. В связи с допинговой ситуацией. Кстати, площади, которые занимал Viessmann, стоят намного дороже. Мы уже ведем предварительные переговоры о продаже этих рекламных мест. Но и Viessmann активизировался. Приехали в Москву на встречу: можно, мол, мы после Олимпиады с вами поговорим? Can. За в два раза большие деньги (смеется).
- Запланирована ли в Ванкувере фирменная дискотека с вами за диджейским пультом?
- Только после удачных выступлений! Тогда она сама по себе получится.
Может, спутник купить?
- Насколько неожиданно в этом году выстрелили Шипулин и Устюгов?
- И тот, и другой в юниорах очень серьезно себя показывали, Шипулин Ландертингера и Пайффера там буквально разрывал на куски. И Устюгов быстро вырос. Стали ли они уже большими спортсменами, будет понятно в ближайшее время.
- Why put a halt Viluhina?
- Оля, быть может, оказалась не готова к тому, чтобы побороться за место в сборной, много болела. Была непростая ситуация с ее переездом из Германии в Новосибирск, со страшными болями. Нужно ее сейчас поддержать, Оля и сама, наверное, понимает, что еще не время ей на Олимпиаду ехать. Вообще мы ожидали большей конкуренции за место в женскую команду.
- Максимов, который даже медаль чемпионата мира выигрывал, теперь тоже вне сборной.
- Опытный парень, у него были шансы пробиться. Требовалось в двух гонках показать характер. Что делать на больших соревнованиях без характера? Nothing. Посмотрите, какие страсти кипят в немецкой команде по поводу попадания в сборную, в норвежской. Все землю грызут! У нас же борьбы не получилось.
- С Ванкувером понятно. А что скажете о резерве сборной с прицелом на Сочи?
- Проходящий в эти дни чемпионат Европы среди юниоров в Швеции доказывает: резерв у нас неплохой. Ольга Галич, Елена Баданина, Евгений Петров, Александр Печенкин, Анастасия Калина выступают здорово. Та же Вилухина на днях выиграла индивидуальную гонку на первенстве России в Уфе и отобралась на мартовский чемпионат Европы для взрослых. Это радует и обнадеживает.
- Есть ли планы появления большого биатлона не только в Ханты-Мансийске, но и в средней полосе? В частности, где-нибудь вокруг Москвы.
- К нам обратилась одна из коммерческих компаний, имеющая опыт организации в Москве соревнований по фристайлу, сноуборду и горным лыжам. Поступило предложение провести биатлонную шоу-гонку. Рассматривались различные варианты - Красногорск, Лужники, Крылатское. Могу сказать, что все это требует очень детальных проработок, поскольку вид спорта наш связан с оружием. Кроме того, не факт, что рождественская гонка в Лужниках соберет 80 тысяч зрителей, как в Гельзенкирхене, надо для начала подготовить публику.
- Есть ли подвижки в методическом плане или вся аналитика по-прежнему на руководителе комплексной научной группы Николае Загурском? Появились ли в сборной новые технические средства?
- Современной техникой и аппаратурой сборная обеспечена по максимуму. Когда мы с огромным списком зашли к Прохорову, он удивился: “Это все для Олимпиады?” Мы сказали - да. И он подписал. Так что сейчас я Загурскому говорю: “Что тебе еще нужно? Может, спутник купить, чтобы ты оттуда за гонками следил?”
Кстати, когда я говорю “мы”, имею в виду ту команду, которая пришла со мной, - Александра Пака и Родиона Тухватулина, людей с большим спортивным опытом. И за науку у нас отвечает не только Загурский - в мужской сборной этим занимается Юрий Преображенцев. Очень толковые тренеры.
- В понедельник сборная вылетает в Ванкувер. С какими чувствами вы ждете начала Игр?
- С нетерпением и азартом. Повоюем!
